Thanks for posting this!
Unchecked bigotry toward Mormons is unbelievable. If someone stood up and commented about gender, race, etc. the public and media outrage would outraged. My guess the mainstream media lets this go unchecked.
For those that want to read more about Romney, I have accumilated some great information here:
mittreport.com
-MR
Ya, ya I got distracted while typing that comment and hit send before I realized my grammatical mistake. Sorry about that!
-MR
I quickly looked at lds.org to see what Morman-ism is all about. Jesus Christ is the center of their religion. I knew that, but based on Romney's response, I wasn't sure if it was. Question: Why didn't he say that Jesus is his Lord and Savior? Perhaps he did, later in the speech.
Anyways.... expect more attacks like this.
I should mention: I am a Catholic who has been friends with and work for some Mormans in my life. I have found each of them to be the most trustworthy, honest, and ethical people I have ever known.
I look forward to learning more about Mitt.
John Elk Grove, CA
A Mormon as President of the US is unthinkable to some - although a Muslim in Congress taking the oath of office on the Koran, that's OK/politically correct!!!
The day Mormon Fascists commit terrorist attacks is the day I start considering that faith as a threat.
BTW - the best quote so far in this Presidential race is from Romney -
"I said to my wife 'In your wildest dreams, did you ever think you would be married to a man running for President of the US? And my wife replied ' Mitt, you're not IN my wildest dreams'"
Not bad.
The fact that Jesus is his Lord and Savior isn't the issue. The fact is that we have to be able to elect someone with a comprehensive view of the good because of his faith, but not be exclusive against others. It's this exact religious bigotry that we have to avoid. I know Romney holds specific covenants, loyalty to Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior among them. I hold the same covenants. He doesn't have to cheapen it by pandering to people like that guy.
Oh, bringing up race in the context of Mormons opens up a whole can of worms
From the end of the nineteenth century until 1978, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not allow men with black skin to be ordained to the priesthood.
"If the White man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain (those with dark skin), the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." - Brigham Young, in his 'Journal of Discourses'
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacks_and_the_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints
With all due respect, he wasn't heckling. He asked a challenging question. He was not disruptive at all. Why can we not ask uncomfortable and challenging questions to those that want to be our leaders without being demonized for it?
I've had it with the bigots. His campaign will be sent $2300 or what ever the maximum allowable primary contribution is. I'll also contact my circle of friends and encourage them to do the same. I'm still not sure who I'll vote for but it may be him.
As a Mormon, here are some more of Mitt's specific covenants:
1. God was once a man. He is currently living on a planet near the star Kolob with his wives. 2. Jesus and Lucifer were once spirit brothers. 3. In the afterlife Mormon men will live as kings their own planets and rule over all their heirs. 4. The Book of Mormon was written on gold tablets revealed to Joseph Smith by the angel Moroni. These tablets are now lost. Joseph Smith translated the tablets by putting a magic rock in his hat and sticking in face in it. 5. American Indians are the lost tribe of Israel. Jesus ministered to them in his trips to America. 6. Donny and Marie Osmond were great musicians.
But seriously folks, all you people who are trying to pretend Mormonism is just another branch of Christianity, like being a Presbyterian or a Baptist, are fooling yourselves. Someday maybe Republicans will be making excuses for a Scientologist candidate - they're even more nuts than Mormons, but only slightly.
Hail Xenu!
Mormons will tell you flat out they believe in Jesus Christ. However, they dont believe in the Trinity, and they believe that Jesus is an example of what we will become - meaning we can be god like Jesus.
they say they believe in Jesus, but, its just not the same Jesus that protestants and catholics believe.
Im sure many/most Mormons are good people, but to say they believe in Jesus Christ implies the same beliefs that other christian religions have, and that just is not true. Main stream christian beliefs state we are the adopted children of God, meaning we will never become like Jesus. In addition, we believe in the trinity, Father-theSon-theHolySpirit - a triune Godhead. This is not consistent with mormon beliefs.
I guess if the mormon bible were not copyrighted as the work of man, then more people would have read it and know this difference.
have a great day!
continued from above...
Honestly, I have said more about this religious issue than I have wanted to say. This is a presidential race - not a race for Pastor in Chief, as Mitt has said. Just because Mitt may win the nomination doesn't alter the validity of other faiths other than mormonism. A vote for Mitt is NOT a vote of approval for the doctrines or theology of Mormonism. Mitt Romney will NOT impose his beliefs on others (another Mormon scripture ideal.)
Evangelical Christians should be the happiest people to vote for Mitt. He is the most loyal and dedicated to most of the values they hold most dear and has spent his life living them.
Let me say if I can say this thought clearly.
I think it's sad when "Christians" attack or ridicule the beliefs of others. There are those that say Mormons don't worship the same Jesus Christ, so they aren't Christians, and therefore should be ridiculed or disrespected. This is wierd, because I must worship a different Jesus Christ then too, because the one I worship would never ridicule the beliefs of others, be they Catholic, Mormon, Muslim, Scientologist, Jehovah's Witness, etc.
The Christian that's the real "pretender" is the one who professes to follow The Savior and shows no love for others.
Let me see if I can say this thought clearly.
I think it's sad when "Christians" attack or ridicule the beliefs of others. There are those that say Mormons don't worship the same Jesus Christ, so they aren't Christians, and therefore should be ridiculed or disrespected. This is wierd, because I must worship a different Jesus Christ then too, because the one I worship would never ridicule the beliefs of others, be they Catholic, Mormon, Muslim, Scientologist, Jehovah's Witness, etc.
The Christian that's the real "pretender" is the one who professes to follow The Savior and shows no love for others.
"As this debate has become more heated, the vast majority of Mormons freely admit Mormonism is not Christianity."
Huh?
I'm a Mormon. I believe that my only hope of salvation is in Jesus Christ. I believe that Christ paid for my sins and that he rose physically from the grave on the third day.
You really think that I'm going to "freely admit" that my beliefs are not Christian? I would as soon admit that circles are squares and that all bachelors are married.
I don't worry too much about anti-mormons. The more lies and false witness they spue the more it will come back to haunt them. If they want to base what they know on angry, disaffected and excommunicated former mormons then so be it. Jesus Christ is the center of my life and I am a Mormon. I believe that we need to be a little more tolerant of one another. This hatred and effort to try and dehumanize and marginalize people we don't agree with is how it starts no matter what the issue whether it is religion, politics, race, gender or ethnicity. Make a mockery of other people's values and beliefs is not what America should stand for. In Rwanda a million people died--how did it start? In the same way. Hatred. Dehumanizing. Making a mock of their brother. Sunni and Shia--same thing. Judge Mitt Romney on his character, his track record and the issues he stands for.
John Elk Grove, CA, though the NAME of Jesus is prominent in their religion, their conception of Him, God, man, the way of salvation (i.e. the gospel) is considerably different than the Bible, so much so that it is a different gospel & faith altogether. I can understand their wanting to mainstream their religion, but it is not Christian because it contradicts almost all essential teachings of Christianity. I'd be happy to share more if anyone so desires: loah.main@gmail.com.
James, USA
Mormonism comes to Christianity, changes the definition of the word “God” (a finite being of which there are many rather than the infinite Being of which there is one), the word “Gospel” (a system of laws by which one earns favor with God rather the free gift of forgiveness from God to man), and the word ‘Heaven” (an unending climb of eternal progression rather that the return to perfection and peace with God). Then if anyone has a problem with this, he’s dismissed as a bigot and a Mormon-hater. Are we Christians suppose to let anyone walk in to our beliefs, change them around and then net ever say “excuse me!”?
I see that this software doesn’t like quotation marks. The words that I refer to above are God Gospel and Heaven. thanks.
lisa0717: "As this debate has become more heated, the vast majority of Mormons freely admit Mormonism is not Christianity."
I believe that Jesus Christ atoned for my sins and physically rose from the dead on the third day after his crucifixion. I believe that he is my only hope of salvation.
I'm a Mormon. Which of the beliefs in the paragraph immediately above must I reject in order to be a Christian?
Nothing like Politics and Religion to bring out the strong, emotional opinions. Mormons aren't the only ones that believe we can become like God (not become God - big difference) just as a son came become like his father. C. S. Lewis made it very clear that he too believes the bible - "be ye perfect, even as I am". It's simple doctrine from the bible, not just the Book of Mormon. C. S. Lewis, whose genuine Christianity is virtually undisputed: "It is a serious thing to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest and most uninteresting person you talk to may one day be a creature which, if you saw it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship." In a fuller statement of this doctrine of deification, Lewis explained: The command Be ye perfect is not idealistic gas. Nor is it a command to do the impossible. He is going to make us into creatures that can obey that command. He said (in the Bible) that we were "gods" and He is going to make good His words. If we let Him-for we can prevent Him, if we choose-He will make the feeblest and filthiest of us into a god or goddess, dazzling, radiant, immortal creature, pulsating all through with such energy and joy and wisdom and love as we cannot now imagine, a bright stainless mirror which reflects back to God perfectly (though, of course, on a smaller scale) His own boundless power and delight and goodness. The process will be long and in parts very painful; but that is what we are in for. Nothing less. He meant what He said." Lewis, Mere Christianity, 174-75. For a more recent example of the doctrine of deification in modern, non-LDS Christianity, see M. Scott Peck, The Road Less Traveled (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978), 269-70: "For no matter how much we may like to pussyfoot around it, all of us who postulate a loving God and really think about it eventually come to a single terrifying idea: God wants us to become Himself (or Herself or Itself). We are growing toward godhood." http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/godhead/Godhood_EOM.htm
Lisa, I don't know if you were directing your question to me about mormons' bias towards non-mormons, unfortunately you live in an area that is predominantly of one faith, and so you are going to see the good and the bad of that faith. It's just how it works. I lived in south america for a year and a half, in an area predominantly Catholic and I can say the same thing about my time there. I just chose to ignore the bad and focus on the good of those around me. Every religion has their crazy people (as it's apparent from the comments regarding this article) there's no way around it. I grew up ostracized for being mormon (outside of utah or arizona), and these were people who claimed to be Christain, Lord-fearing people. I'm sorry that you've had such a sour experience with those of my faith. It's too bad. I work hard to let those not of my faith to know that we just try to be good people everyday. I didn't mean to write so much. oops. :) as for the mormon temple - it's a sacred place and not all mormons can enter either. Without going into a LONG discussion about our beliefs that all I can say. I'm sorry that might not satsify the inquiry. And to those that reference our "magic underwear", i'm not talking about your underwear, so please refrain from talking about mine. It's gross and totally juvenile. Thanks!
BobbyK, Sunshine never said anything about being anti-mormon. No hate was spewed (as i feel was in your posting). What was quoted were beliefs taken from an actual Mormon apologetic website. If these are not Mormon beliefs, I would suggest you contact them (fairlds.org) and the Mormon heirarchy and ask them to change their beliefs to what ever would make you feel better. Please explain the difference between what you said is a "reformist view of the Bible" and "ancient Christianity." I would also like for you to explain what "salvation" in the Mormon religion means, how you receive it, what happens to a Mormon when he dies or leaves this earth, what happens to his wife, and what happens to a Jew, Christian, Muslim (in other words, a non-mormon) when he also dies. These are interesting questions I would love for a Mormon out there to answer. Thanks. I would never attack Mitt for his religious beliefs, but it is an opportunity to understand more of what a mormon believes. I would attack him on his flip flops or lack of conservatism on issues important to conservatives and many Republicans.
The problem with our society today is the perversion of truth, people believing someone can be good and moral and be a good leader cuz he is a good man. What a bunch of hogwash.
Human nature is corupt, just look around the world. Mormans have perverted the truth, just as it looks like mohamad took the old testament and made up a bunch of baloney (come on, you can murder people because a shiek says so and get to heaven), and catholics have obviosly over time have changed God's word. Just google about mormons or islam or catholicism, or budda or hindu. Can you guys read. Oh and all the heckler said was that Nitt did not know the Lord, Why didn't he defend his relationship with the real Jesus? I'm going to vote for someone who follows crazy stuff LDS is promoting because part of it is the truth. I don't think so, oh he can't research and follow the truth, but he would make a good president. Come on people! Let's all join hands and lie, lie lie, and take the truth and change it ever so slightly year after year. You know, maybe ignorance will someday be a positive praiseworthy personality trait. Oh brother..
I find Orrin Hatch corrupt beyond measure. He is bought and paid for my Big Media, the same entity that profits on the sexualizing of children through entertainment. Harry Reid I don't know enough about. In that vein, I don't know enough about Romney to make a choice.....yet.
Since so many Activist Evangelicals are sharpening the long knives, we can count on an increasing level attacks directed at the LDS Church. The adversary will cloak his lies in grains of truth so I'd be wary of anything from that quarter.
Anyway, here's some unrelated trivia to chew on.
The LDS Church has no paid clergy. To support their families, clergy are employed.
About the Trinity ; Jesus defined his relationship with God in John 17, 21-23.
The word Trinity doesn't appear in the Bible. The earliest recorded reference was by Tertullian, a Latin theologian who coined the word "Trinity" He clearly explained that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were "one in essence - not one in Person."
One hundred years later, the 3in1 Trinity was chosen by the Council if Nicea in 325. Bishop Athanasius led the charge in response to allegations of Polytheism by the Greeks. Prior to then, the 3in1 Trinity was a fringe belief.
NV
Is this going to be the typical tired way most Americas will view Mitt? Not being able to see past his LDS faith? When people think of JFK do they automatically start questioning Catholic Doctrine? People need to look at all the candidates ethical standards and judge it for themselves. To attack a candidate based only on their faith shows that complete ignorance has already won. We have just witnessed public opinion at it's complete worst. These are views by people that haven't even bothered to look at Mitt's policies. Are you going to base your vote in 2008 on these biased comments alone? Don't let yourself get highjacked by fools and most importanly, don't let your judgment be based the rantings of lunatics.
I find Orrin Hatch corrupt beyond measure. He is bought and paid for my Big Media, the same entity that profits on the sexualizing of children through entertainment. Harry Reid I don't know enough about. In that vein, I don't know enough about Romney to make a choice.....yet.
Since so many Activist Evangelicals are sharpening the long knives, we can count on an increasing level attacks directed at the LDS Church. The adversary will cloak his lies in grains of truth so I'd be wary of anything from that quarter.
Anyway, here's some unrelated trivia to chew on.
The LDS Church has no paid clergy. To support their families, clergy are employed.
About the Trinity ; Jesus defined his relationship with God in John 17, 21-23.
The word Trinity doesn't appear in the Bible. The earliest recorded reference was by Tertullian, a Latin theologian who coined the word "Trinity" He clearly explained that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were "one in essence - not one in Person."
One hundred years later, the 3in1 Trinity was chosen by the Council if Nicea in 325. Bishop Athanasius led the charge in response to allegations of Polytheism by the Greeks. Prior to then, the 3in1 Trinity was a fringe belief.
NV
re: Bumbaclaat
Your correct, leaders of the church made personal comments, which shows that there is very much a human element involved with church government. We just don't know all the reason for such quotes. But before condeming us, look inside the history of all religion durning that period. Racism was very much present in all demominations. Yet all claim to follow the Bible. Why condem Mormons for behaving in like manner. The church has moved forward, corrected mistakes, and accepted all worthy men into the Priesthood. I am sure that if Christians were asked prickly questions about biblical scripture they would be hard press to find answers, because God does not act in ways we can always understand or personaly accept. Faith is a hard principle to understand and always live by. But when asked by non-believers, Christians can always safely rely on Faith; as for their accepting hard principles and personal beliefs. Prayer is a powerful tool, and when used in humility and sincerity can bring forth much understanding.
Richard.
From the end of the nineteenth century until 1978, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not allow men with black skin to be ordained to the priesthood.
"If the White man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain (those with dark skin), the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." - Brigham Young, in his 'Journal of Discourses'
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacks_and_the_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints
If one more person says Romney is a "great guy", I swear I'll puke. Wake up! Mormon or no Mormon, he is the biggest flip flopping political whore on the scene today. The man just lies and lies and lies. Stop making snap judgements on sound bites and physical appearance and start reading!
Here is the deal! Plain and simple. Mormons are a Christian cult. What defines a Christian cult? It is who they say Jesus is. Now a Mormon will talk about Jesus all day long and will even say that He is God and to the average listener they sound 'Christian'. But if you dig a little deeper you will find that, in fact, they beleive that Jesus is the God of this galaxy and when they die, at least when the men die, they will become Gods of their own galaxy, and of course their wife or wives will rule and reign with them. Now as far as Romney is concerned...his politics are in alignment with mine, probobably more so than any other candidate. I would have a problem, however, in voting for someone who beleived such religious nonsense. Sorry Romney, you won't get this Christians vote!
B. Kruger - excuse me, but how exactly can you know that Romney's political views are "in alignment" with yours? And which views do you mean? Are you talking about his pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-tax, pro-gun control positions of just a few months ago? Or his newfangled ones that he's been working on since he decided to run for president? I'm telling you, I don't know if it is related to his religion (as some have claimed) or not, but the man does not believe he has to be truthful. EVER.
I was pointed here by Andrew Sullivan's blog. Sully takes Romney to task for embracing anti-Atheist bigotry to deflect the questioner's anti-Mormon bigotry. Sullivan may have a point. Saying that the country needs to be led by a person of faith" suggests that Atheists are not capable of leading the country.
Is it too generous to assume that when Romney says "person of Faith" he means it in a vague/civic sense? Beacuse that's how I heard it. After all, he is speaking as a presidential candidate. It would be nice to have a president of vision, a person with positive ideas in these troubling times. In short, a person with faith in America. That could include Atheists.
Again, am I being too generous? I don't think this single comment has doomed the Romney campaign. But it will be difficult to defend Romney from those who demand a religious test when Romney himself appears to be insisting on a religious test.
Some of the comments here are downright silly. But one comment stood out:
"Someday maybe Republicans will be making excuses for a Scientologist candidate - they're even more nuts than Mormons, but only slightly."
You dummy. Republicans are already electing Scientologists to national office. See Mary Bono.
Hi Paul, Well in answer to your question...I beleive that his political views are more in line with mine than most of the other Republican candidates. Do they compare with mine exactly...NO! I would know this by listening to his speeches, reading articles that reflect his views, etc. These days it would seem impossible to find a candidate that reflects my political views in totality. It remains, however, that I, personally, could not trust anybody who belongs to a cult to have the ability to look a things logically enough to be the president of the United States.
Joseph Smith was a fraud and his version of Jesus allowed him to be a polygamist. Other Mormon leaders (Brigham Young) said, "The Christian God is the Mormon Devil". So this comment that a person of faith, any faith, leading the country is insane. If you buy into this blind philosophy, one could say that a person like Osama Bin Laden should be President (if he were a US citizen) since he too is a "man of faith".
I fear the anti-Mormon terrorism that will be unleashed if a Mormon is elected U.S. President. The vicious anti-Mormon sentiments that are vented in the comments posted here and that are becoming ubiquitous on the internet are just a small taste of the evil bitterness we can expect from the maniacs of phoney Christianity. Although they are only the lunatic fringe of Christiandom, these anti-Mormons will do more than their share of damage. They'll be burning Mormon homes, businesses, schools, churches, and temples; they'll be kidnapping, raping, torturing, and murdering Mormons just as their predessors did to the early Latter-day Saints. These crazies, found primarily among the fundamentalist Protestants, will break out their great-grandpappys' hoods and and lynchin' ropes, showing that they are worthy of the violent heritage of their racist, slaveowning, segregationist, anti-Semitic forebears.
As much as I appreciate Romney's willingness to serve, and as much as I think he has some fine qualities that would make him a good President, I'm inclined to vote for a different Republican candidate simply out of concern for the safety of myself and my fellow Mormons.
I fear the anti-Mormon terrorism that will be unleashed if a Mormon is elected U.S. President. The vicious anti-Mormon sentiments that are vented in the comments posted here and that are becoming ubiquitous on the internet are just a small taste of the evil bitterness we can expect from the maniacs of phoney Christianity. Although they are only the lunatic fringe of Christiandom, these anti-Mormons will do more than their share of damage. They'll be burning Mormon homes, businesses, schools, churches, and temples; they'll be kidnapping, raping, torturing, and murdering Mormons just as their predessors did to the early Latter-day Saints. These crazies, found primarily among the fundamentalist Protestants, will break out their great-grandpappys' hoods and and lynchin' ropes, showing that they are worthy of the violent heritage of their racist, slaveowning, segregationist, anti-Semitic forebears.
As much as I appreciate Romney's willingness to serve, and as much as I think he has some fine qualities that would make him a good President, I'm inclined to vote for a different Republican candidate simply out of concern for the safety of myself and my fellow Mormons.
Are Mormons Christians? This is all pointless in this forum anyway, because it has no bearing on whether or not one should vote for Romney as president. There is one tenant of our faith (I am Mormon), however, that I consider to be extremely relevant in this discussion: The doctrine of personal agency. The more I learn about and listen to modern zealous ‘Christians’ (Like good ole Jim Hill, who posted here) I get an increasing feeling that this doctrine is slowly but surely disappearing in the evangelical community. God’s greatest gift to us as his children is the freedom to act for ourselves. He will not, does not and cannot make choices for us. He may influence our lives in certain ways but it is still 100% up to us as individuals as to how we will react to those situations. In fact this is the very heart of true religion as he could not judge us justly if we did not make our own decisions. As Mormons we believe that to usurp a persons choice is to step in line with the adversary himself. We believe that this is the central idea that got him thrust out of the presence of the Father, because he wanted to be the saviour of the world by removing our ability to choose, and therefore to sin. He claimed he would have forced us to obey thereby saving each and every soul, and in return he wanted all the glory of the Father, he wanted the Father to give glory TO HIM. Imagine that! And for this he was cast out. I mention this only to emphasize our belief that agency is precious and coercion is evil. God does not want a theocracy in this country, especially a CHRISTIAN theocracy. The very idea is a perversion of the deepest and most basic principles of the gospel. And yet it sounds as if Jim Hill had his way that is exactly what would happen, and I’m sure he is not the only one of his ilk. This is what scares the pants off almost every right thinking American out there, that somehow the extreme right in this country will manage to gain a Christian theocracy and impose their faith on the masses. I truly believe that a vast number of zealous ‘Christians’ believe it is their destiny and mission in life to see such a theocracy imposed in this country. That is freakin scary. Whether or not I vote for Romney, at least I know that if he wins, he understands that people must be left free to choose their own path in life. In fact, to impose his beliefs (Romney’s) on anyone would be spitting in God’s face.
Let who ever wants to run, run. I believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour and that ALL men will one day confess him as so. If not on Earth, then surely in heaven. The difference being as to "when" you made such confession.
Jesus himself said, give unto Ceaser what is Ceasers and give to God what is God's. I know he wasn't talking about elections, but it's our duty to be involved in the political process. As a Christian, I will vote for the candidate who is the most likely to uphold our Judeo-Christian values in this country. I'm not voting for the Supreme Christian representative here. I am to be a representation of Jesus-likeness and will do so with my vote, in my neighborhood, my work and my family. I think Jesus expects his people "who know his voice" to be representatives of him everywhere we go and not expect someone such as a President or candidate to stand up and do it for us!
God Bless!
There are many that would find something wrong with electing anyone other than a Protestant Christian. The most important basis for their candidacy to elected office is that their religion be the foundation for giving them discernment of good vs. evil, right vs. wrong, and that through their desire for religious liberty, they uphold the principles in the originality of the Constitution of the U.S. Do I personally think there are things wrong with the Mormonism (LDS) religion? Yes. Do I think it precludes one from any political office? No. I cannot and will not accept any candidate that can't/won't explain their stance on current issues that directly relate to their religions foundational doctrines/documents (Bible, Koran, etc.)
Christian Protestants are a cult. And there are a lot of Protestant churches, enough to make your head swim. They all have similar names and send mailers filling you your mail box trying to convince you to attend theirs over others:
First Church of Main Street First Church of First Street First Church of Second Street First Church of The Redeemer First Church of The Nazarene First Church of The First Apostle First Church of The Second Apostle
egads!
They all want to be First, yet they're all Second because they all "Protested" against the Catholic Church and broke off from it -or- from each other. Protestants don't have any more authority to speak about or for God than the authority Protestants deny to the Catholic Church.
(Unless of course, you believe by picking up a Bible and filing a tax-exempt status with the IRA, gives you the authority to speak for God. This would be called Theology school, sponsored by the first Protestants who picked up a Bible and started their own church.)
If the Catholic Church is wrong, so are those who broke from it. If the Catholic Church is correct, Protestants are wrong again.
That would make every President in the US (except JFK?) ineligible to be President.
You'll notice when Protestants protest about Romney's Mormonism, the Protesting Protestants never mention the name of their Protestant Church.
If they did, it would always be some generic name, similar to: Church of [use local geographic name identifier here] Are they're franchises? I believe they offer their preachers retirement plans. What a deal.
I think they doth Protest too much.
Or what's that principle taught in their Bible? Pull the beam out of your own eye....
Latest Headlines:
Testy Protesting Protestants Protest Over Religious Romney Test Claim: Our Protestant Test of Romney Religion Does Not Pass Our Intolerant Protestant Religion Testy Belief System. We Vote No.
In other news: Sunnis kill Shiites. Claim: Shiites don't pass our religious Sunni test soon enough. Dissension rocks Iraq. Democrats call for troop withdrawal.
Result: Nation elects Shillary Clinton. Shillary passes presidential decree denouncing all religions. Protestants thrown to the Lions by Liberals. Tickets are $50. Available at Ticketmasters.com
Notice that Protesting Protestants always claim they are part of "The Church" - whatever that means.
I guess it means, Baptists, Evangelists, Methodists and Lutherans, Donner, Blitzen, Comet and Cupidits, all ban together and consider themselves "The Church." (They obviously don't connect with the Catholic Church for that is who they orginally Protested against.)
The are all considered "The Church" because they share the same belief in the Trinity: That God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are all one Being - and defined as some nebulous "Ether" floating around in and all through things - similar to a scary science fiction movie - THE BLOB comes to mind, though the latter is in liquid form, the former a gas.
This despite Christ, as noted in Protestant Bibles, resurrected with a body which was handled and felt by his apostles, the doubting Apostle Thomas for one. But I suppose they believe when Christ rose into the heavens after his resurrection, he left his body again in the grave - or maybe it got snagged on a tree branch, thus Christ, God and the Holy Ghost are believed to be a ONE all-encompassing BLOB floating around in the heavens.
This is the definition of the Protesting Protestants belief in the Trinity. The Church of the Blob. But that's funny. Catholics believe the same thing.
Here's a video called "Mitt Romney and Mormonism":
http://www.blip.tv/file/152336/
I'm neither a Protestant nor a Catholic. Yet I have voted for Protestants: Bush I, Bush II, Ronald Reagan. So why can't you Intolerant Romney Protesting Protestants look beyond Romney's belief system and consider to vote for him based on the same values he shares with you?
Or is intolerance the defining definition of your Christian belief? Maybe you Southern types still wear pillows over your heads?
As a Christian, I am actually comfortable with the idea of a Mormon as president. But what makes me uncomfortable about Romney as president, is that he attempts to sound as though he is an average/everyday Christian in order to build support from average/everyday Christians. This confusion is created by using Christian terminology in extremely unorthodox ways. Many Christians find this insulting (the idea that our religious views can be bought and sold for votes)--although I do not--so what you are hearing from many Christians is not truely hatred but rather an outcry having been being offended.
In my experience with friends, Mormonism is not average/everyday Christianity. Mormonism is an extraordinary view with some strong differences and admittedly striking similarities. And so while many of my Christian brothers notice that Mormons are quiet honest in average-everyday dealings--purchasing cars, trading property, working hard--they are unusually dishonest (and sometimes secretive) about their dissimilarities with Christian Theology. The differences are even more dramatic when Mormonism is compared to Catholic Orthodoxy.
I guess my point is that I would be happy to vote for a Mormon, but one that is ready to be honest about their own faith without pretending to share mine. I believe that my other Christian brothers and sisters would also feel the same. After all, many of us voted for JFK in spite of the differences between Protestant Christianity and Catholicism.
First off, learn to spell. Mormon. Not Morman. 'More man' is what you here at a gay circuit party.
Second, flip flops abound in both parties - it's what you have to do to get elected. McCain: Guns, Gays, Abortion Bush I: Taxes Bush II: Comp. Conservative (Oh wait, that's just Christian Nutball Codespeak) Romney: Guns, Gays, Abortion Reagan: Former Democrat
I'm for Pat Robertson (I know--he isn't running) or for Sam Brownback (both great models of stability and equality in a melting pot). I love the 700 club and Nebraska zealots.
When did the Republican party stop standing for limited government, financial accountability, and personal freedom and start standing for whose Jesus is better?
The more I learn about religion, the more I realize they all have nutty beliefs that you just have to accept on faith. They all have liars (whoever can be cured of being gay in three weeks is not telling the truth. Also you have the Jimmy Swaggarts out there and the Benny Hills).
Mitt R would keep his religion out of government. The only reason he flipped on Gays and Abortion is cause the Christian Right demands it. The Mormons don't have too friendly of a position on either. Mormons are far more to the right than most evangelicals are.
PS. How many black baptists do you see at the southern baptist convention? For an area of the country that is on average 25% black, attendence is disproportionate to the race ratio. In 1978, I can guarantee you that in 95% of southern churches with the majority of white parishoners, you couldn't find a black clergyman to save your life. Go back 10 years to 1968 I can guarantee 100% no black-clergy.
Oh, by the way, if you are following your bible, ladies, get out your hats. Your going to church with an uncovered head is against the law of the New Testament.
And really, the more I think about it, we should probably kill all non-isrealites based on what God told the nation of Isreal to do in the old testament: Kill every man, woman, and child. So, if you are not Jewish, break out that gun. God needs you to shoot yourself after you kill all abortionists, muslims, catholics, gays, athiests, and cows, donkeys, pigs, camels, etc.
Disclosure: I'm a former Mormon. I've researched Baptists, Pentacostals, Catholics, Methodists, Adventists, Hindus, and Buddhists. I've attended services with each for at least a half a year to try and get a true picture of the belief system.
I'm also gay. I gamble. I throw away more food than a family of four in Africa could eat for a week. BUT, I also... 'tithe (as in 10% of my income)' to a local food-bank. I take care of the widow down the street. And I work as a tutor at a local school for kids who need supervision.
Practice some true Christianity. Leave your religion out of your politics. There's that whole 'ceasar' story in the bible-maybe you should read that part. And stop getting divorced. Jesus will cast you down to hell for it.
If God has a sense of humor, he'll put Romney against Clinton in the 2008 election.
Simple question for a reporter with big balls:
"Governor Romney, do you believe that you will become god of your own planet when you die?"
As a Mormon, I'd be interested to know what 'evangelical' Christians believe. I really have no idea other than they believe in Jesus. Is there anything more to it than that? Are all doctrines of every evangelical Church in 100% agreement around the Globe? Who is the authority on this subject? Is there a book that details doctrine of every type of protestantism?
It seems to me that if no one ever takes a stand on anything, they are tough to argue against. Mormonism is one Church, with one doctrine, and has been for coming up on 200 years. I challenge anyone to provide an organization that has been around a couple hundred years, that didn't have its fair share of flaws.
For my Christians brothers, I think you need to take a few steps back and look at what is really important. Mitt Romney espouses the same Christians values you hold. You can bicker about the details, but the bottom line is, Mitt Romney believes Christ is the Savior of this world, and that we can only return to God through Christ's grace. But even MORE important than that, with regard to the Presidency, Mr. Romney believes in loving his neighbor. At the end of the day, isn't that what Christianity is all about?
Whatever you have to say about Mormons, I say this: By Their Fruits Ye Shall Know Them. (Matthew 7:15).
1. They stand first in the % of the total population enrolled in school at every age level. 2. They stand first in the average years of school completed for all its members age 25 and older. 3. Because of their "Word of Wisdom" Mormons have the lowest mortality rates from cancer. 4. They have a 10% divorce rate - compare that to the national average where the majority now don't even marry. 5. Mormons excell in the number of Boy Scouts to any other group. 6. Church leaders do not get paid, they serve on their own dime and time. 7. Almost 60, 000 missionaries worldwide serve two years and pay their own way. 8. The members run the church, not professional clergy. 9. The Church is debt free, it pays as it goes through member's tithing. I could continue, for more information visit http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg
Scott
As one who is non-Mormon, and has lived among them for over 25 years in their town, Salt Lake City, I can tell you those people are basically "isolationists".....I try to stay out of debates, but when you have the LDS Corp. totally occupying a state government, boy scouts, radio and TV., it really get hard. There is nothing wrong with the religion, it's the people that are in it that are believing that they are the chosen religion and the "Gentiles" are not accepted. Bigotry, Hippocrates, that discriminate, causes a great deal of the problems. Anyone interested can always research....www.utlm.org/ , also search bearens for info as well. In Utah they are a majority, outside Utah, they are a minority that keeps to themselves. Someone should have asked Mitt about the secret marriages, names, secret handshakes, garments, and especially Joseph Smith.....read "No Man Knows My History"....google it.....buy the book, and read for yourselves.....The author, by the way, was ex-communicated from the LDS church after publishing the book. She was only a bibliographer.
While I appreciate the discussion on the differences in theology between Protestantism and Mormonism, I'm a little disappointed that so many of my fellow Americans are buying into the heckler's premise.
Romney's God isn't the same as the heckler's God. Duh! So what? Want to hear something really wild? I have a Hindu representative in my State legislature.
It is thoughtless & petty to suggest that a man should be barred from civic life just b/c he has a different religion.
Remember Luke 12:48 - "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required"
I happen to firmly believe that not all religions are equal. But Romney didn't have the benefit of growing up in "right" Church. So I judge him according to how he grew up in his Church. What has he done as a Mormon? Has his faith ever compelled him to act in an unjust manner? Prove that it has & I would give a rip about his religion.
As things stand I am hesitant to vote for Romney because his view on abortion is not close enough to the mainstream Mormon position on abortion.
I would hope that who one would vote for would be the best man/woman for the job. Look at what Romney is saying and watch what he is doing...let that be your deciding factor whether you vote for him or another candidate. That is what I plan on doing.
Now, if I want to know about a religion, I should go to that religion to learn about it. It would be silly to go to a former member who doesn't respect or obviously does not understand the religion to find out what is about. If I want to learn about the Baptists, I need to study what the Baptists write (not a former Baptist). If I want to know about Catholics, Hindus, or any other religion, including Mormons, I need to study and read what their members write...
I will not profess to be an expert on your religion and I would appreciate it if you would also not profess to be an expert on mine. Let's be respectful to each other and each other's beliefs.
I really appreciate this! Thanks! The religion only strengthens his resolve to do good and to be the best without offending anyone. He knows what's important. Those who criticize the religion need to do their hw because we can all get along even if we are part of different religions. I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (aka: Mormon) and we are taught that we need to be accepting of others and their beliefs and that we are all children of God and need to treat each other as so. To the person who wrote 2 above me: I have to say, after reading some of the quotes on this message board I'm 100% sure there are at least a few that are in the same faith as Mitt and I (With the lingo and acronyms that come with the religion it's not hard to spot out) and I'm pretty sure that we know what our religion is about. If you would like to know more, check out LDS.org. When finding out about someone you go to their friends, not their enemies if you want the truth. However, whether or not it is the true gospel on the earth, it is a good religion and it makes people better people every day like many other religions. The gospel of Jesus Christ is my life, and I strive to live it to lift and strengthen others. Life is not easy, but we are on this earth to help each other.
I really appreciate this! Thanks! The religion only strengthens his resolve to do good. He knows what's important. Those who criticize the religion need to do their hw because we CAN all get along even if we are part of different religions. Some of those who have posted what they think our beliefs are, are misleading and some are blatantly wrong. Honestly though I just want people to really study it and do their hw first.
I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (aka: Mormon) and we are taught that we need to be accepting of others and their beliefs and that we are all children of God and need to treat each other as so. I do know what my religion is about and if you would like to know more, check out LDS.org. or ask me.
When finding out about someone you go to their friends, not their enemies if you want the truth.
However, whether or not it is the true gospel on the earth, it is a good religion and it makes people better people every day like many other religions. The gospel of Jesus Christ is my life, and I strive to live it to lift and strengthen others. Life is not easy, but we are on this earth to help each other. I do know this.
In short (very short) We believe in Christ our Redeemer and Savior of the World, we believe in Heavenly Father and We believe in the Holy Ghost who guides us in our lives. We believe these 3 are one in purpose and are 3 separate beings. Like I said, there is so much more i could share, but look into and ask the friends of the religion to truly understand. Thanks for reading!
Buzz, Did you say MY comment was ignorant and I don't know what "they" believe in? I am "they" I am LDS. I hope you were referring to "the last statement" as someone else cuz I think we are on the same page.
I said that Christ, Heavenly Father and the Holy Ghost are 1 in purpose, but SEPARATE beings. I know we believe in the trinity and I agree with everything you said. What do you mean I haven't truly tried to understand? I do understand. Could you read my statement a little closer next time? Thanks
To those who are talking about us becoming like Gods after this life. Why doesn't it make sense? Don't you believe we are God's children? Don't children grow up and becoming like their parents and have their own children? Why can't we do the same? God sent us to earth so that we can learn, prove ourselves and become more like him so that eventually we can have our own spirit children etc...
I hope when people keep putting up messages on this board that we aren't calling each other names and being rude. I figure this is a place to learn. Be kind guys! I don't care how cheesy this may sound so let's not argue, just discuss and see it from others point of views. k?
Sorry, I know this is supposed to be about Mitt Romney...I appreciate those who say they are not voting for him because of other reasons than his religion. Thanks for understanding enough to realize that religion shouldn't be the reason for a deciding vote. To everyone else: If you don't want to vote for Mitt, I'm fine with that, just don't tear down someone's beliefs, we can learn about each other and each others beliefs and find a greater understanding no matter what you believe. Thanks guys!
The Mormons are a mind controling cult. I saw nothing wrong with what the heckler did.
Wouldn't it be nice if we had a presidential candidate who stood for REAL truths?
Truths like: There are crucifixion / resurrection mythologies which predate Christ.
Whoa!!! Did I say that out loud? If you were really into truth, dear Christians, then you wouldn't shy away from truths about religion, even when it undermines your current beliefs.
What is it, exactly, that you were told you need salvation from? Your creator made you defective? Now you must believe man-made doctrines in order to fix yourself for Him by accepting Him? LUNACY!!!! WAKE UP!!!!
Remeber this, voters: Jesus was not a Christian. He also said that the kingdom is HERE AND NOW, and if you seek it, LOOK WITHIN. Not within a church, and not within any particular religion. Go outside, take in the air, exhale and know you are alive and free.
WAKE UP. You don't need organized religion, and you shouldn't trust politicians who attempt to woo you by claiming to believe in the same mythologies you've been duped into believing.
What you need is to KNOW YOUR CONSTITUTION, and know when your rights are being ripped away from you. If you know the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, then you'll know who to vote for -- you'll know by removing those candidates who speak of everything BUT the Constitution. Without the protection of those privileges, America is nothing but dirt.
WAKE UP!!! And Google "WTC 7" while you're at it.
The fact is that we have to be able to elect someone with a comprehensive view of the good because of his faith, but not be exclusive against others. It's this exact religious bigotry that we have to avoid. I know Romney holds specific covenants, loyalty to Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior among them. I hold the same covenants. He doesn't have to cheapen it by pandering to people like that guy. club penguin
This is because you live in Gilbert with a bunch of Mormons. If you lived elsewhere you'd see that all religions think you're a douche equally. You say you do business with 100 Mormons, but they wouldn't hesitate not to do business with you? What's keeping them from rejecting you right now? You're delusional, and disagreeable people like you are lucky to be accepted into any house of worship. When will the bigotry end? club penguin
First of all, the culture of America is one of faith. My understanding of the pilgrims is that they came here seeking religious freedom. The founders of this country spoke incessently of their reliance on God. People of Faith are those who hold the traditions of those who have built this nation. Everything that is good in this nation or any other has come because God has had a hand in it. ---------------------------------------------------------- Term life insurance quotes l Land Rover Parts
The Trinity... Ah, the mainstream Christians like to to bring that up and say we don't believe in it. That last statement is ignorant and I when I see it I know that I am dealing with someone who thinks they know what we believe but hasn't truly tried to understand.
We believe in the Trinity- how can it be denied. Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are true and they are one in purpose but they are not the same person. Some Christians don't like that and so say we don't believe in it.
Pose this question to yourself... When Jesus was baptized, he came straightway out of the water and a voice in heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
So who was talking there? If Heavenly Father and Jesus are the same person, are we to assume that Jesus is a ventriliquest and threw his voice?
No, It was Heavenly Father, and He was talking from heaven so that all could hear. This is one of many examples where the scriptures undeniably show that they are separate entities. They are one in purpose, yes, but different personages.
That is how we view the Trinity and just because mainstream Christianity is too afraid to accept it, they call us non-Christians. It's funny because they don't even have the authority to say whether we are or not. Only God does.
Is this a blog about Mitt Romney or the Mormon belief system? Good God people! Mitt is a man... a good man... a man of principle, discipline, loyalty, courage and conviction. That is what is important here, not whether he believes in the so called "Mormon" Jesus or the "Catholic" Jesus. Give credit where credit is due. Good people doing good things has nothing to do with their religion. I like Mitt as a person, time will tell as a politician. Fact of the matter is, people are so narrow minded about ALL religions that are "different" and that is exactly what keeps this country divided. Am I going to vote for Romney? No. But that has nothing to do with his or my religion. It has to do with issues. Get over it!!!
Regardless of Mitts religion, i would not vote for him for any government position. I worked for the state of Massachusetts when he was governor. He vetoed any legislation to fund our contracts. When the legislators overode his veto he was forced to sign the bill, but stuck out the passages to pay retirees retro active funds. What a guy...
"Doesn't believe in the Trinity". Give me a break. That’s like a Sunni telling a Shiite he doesn’t believe in the Mahdi. Every Christian religion has its doctrinal nuances and each believes they are correct to the exclusion of others, hence, um, duh, there are distinct denominations. But all are 95% in agreement.
I wonder if the animosity amongst Muslim groups started with them lying about each other's beliefs for political gain.
Who cares what the president's religion is as long as s/he doesn't try to shove it down everyone else's throat? Am I supposed to be more scared of Mormons than of evangelicals or something?
Don't be fooled. Mormons do not hold Jesus Christ as the same person we read about in the Bible. They believe He is a god... but not THE GOD. They believe that they themselves actually become god's if they hold to the teachings of mormonism. They will rule over their own world, just as "God" and "Jesus" rule over this one.
I am not saying that to dissuade anyone from voting for Mitt. He seems like a great guy and a good candidate. Just don't be fooled by the people who say that Mormons believe Jesus is their Lord and Savior. They may believe that for this earth, but they believe they will one day be the lord of their own earth.
and... folks.... PLEASE don't comment on the 'meaningless' doctrines... like the Trinity unless you know what it actually means to the religion. If you don't believe in the Trinity, you don't believe in the Bible--or at least the God of the Bible (and not the LDS Bible.... different stuff).
If you don't believe that the Trinity exists, you don't believe Jesus actually IS God... that's a pretty big doctrinal difference.
I don't doubt Mormons believe in the Trinity... but, again, they believe that they, one day, can also be gods... BIG difference from Christianity
Normally, I would say I do not care what religion my President is, but Presidents are supposed to represent all people. I live here in Phoenix/Gilbert, AZ, a very strong Mormon community. It is widely known a part of the Mormon faith is to primarily socialize and do business with Mormons only. I work with 100s of Mormons and they are some of the hardest working, and most friendliest people I know, but they would not hesitate to choose not to do business with me because I am not Mormon, or choose not to allow their children to socialize with non-Mormon children.
I can't just decide to visit a Mormon temple one Sunday morning. I would not be admitted. It is also very commonly believed that Mormons do not see Jesus Christ as anyone special (as it relates to their faith), even though the title of their Church would lead you to believe they do.
You anti-Mormons are delusional. I've been Mormon my whole life. All the Mormon church does is talk about Jesus Christ (although I've noticed Mormons always call Him Christ while non-Mormons call Him Jesus for short). Mormons have pictures of Christ all over the homes. They talk him and read about him all week long. They believe Jesus is the Christ a lot more than most protestants, who've come to view their religion mainly as a political movement or medal of superiority more than an actual truth. The Book or Mormon mentions Jesus twice as much per sentence as the New Testament. Mormons are better Christians than a lot of protestants -- especially the ones lying about them. Their lies poison us all.
I think if a good man shares my values, it doesn't matter what his faith is. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. - Chris in Raleigh
lisa0717 - I'm sorry, but you won't find anyone at a LDS temple on Sunday mornings, the temples are closed on Sundays. But if you want to attend a LDS Sunday service, you can go to any LDS church meeting house in your area on a Sunday and you'll be more than welcomed. Visitors Welcomed. And as a practicing mormon, i have NO idea where you came up with the notion that we "do not see Jesus Christ as anyone special". I apologize if any mormons you know gave you that impression. It is simply false. Only through Jesus Christ may I be saved, He's a little more than just special to me, He's everything.
As for Mitt Romney, he has 18 months to prove that he's the best candidate, he doesn't have my vote just because we share the same religion. So far, I like what I see, but anything can happen in 18 months.
Romney showed himself to be just as big a bigot as the anti-Morman heckler. Exactly where in the Constitution does it say a "person of faith" must lead the United States? Such a concept is just flat out anti-American and anyone who believes it not only should not be president, he or she should pack up and move to a country where such notions are the law. Love it or leave it, as the saying goes.
ChristianD - Romney didn't say it was law, it was just his opinion. I'm sure you'll kindly agree they aren't the same thing. It's ok to not agree with his opinion, just like it's ok not to agree with yours. That's America my friend!
As a former Evangelical Christian, I remember the tremendous pressure I experienced to view people of every other stripe of Christianity as adversaries. From summer camp to Fishnet to traveling roadshows, that particular flavor of intolerance was woven through my instruction. It's something that eventually drove me away from Christianity all together for years. However I don't remember the same attitudes toward Hinduism, or Taoism or faiths that ignore Jesus completely. I came to realize that the closer faiths are in belief the greater the animosity. I came to learn that any faith that holds no animosity towards their closest brethren holds the true spirit of Jesus.
Even Satan knew that Jesus was Lord...knowing doesn't mean salvation...
Darktime listed some of the Mormon beliefs...these are not Christian beliefs...
I would not vote for Romney, not because of his beliefs, but because he is a typical flip flop politician...
To be well informed before speaking on Mormonism I suggest reading former ex-Mormon Ed Decker's books---The God Makers---and---Fast Facts on False Teachings. Both may be purchased at Amazon. Let the facts speak for themselves.
I just want to know where my planet is, what happened to that magic rock, and when I can talk to aforementioned Moroni.
Trinities, Messiahs, Moshes, Mahdis -- jeepers you corny loons creep me out.
Love exists. Love is God. That's enough.
Thanks for clarifying your opinion on how Mormon see Jesus. What about the biases Mormons seem to show against non-Mormons? And what about the restrictions Mormons have on non-Mormons attending services at a Momon Temple, is this true?
P.S. To slr38,you seem to imply Mormons are better than protestants. Is this what you are saying?
lisa, you just seem bitter because you were offended by some random Mormons who don't like you. This is because you live in Gilbert with a bunch of Mormons. If you lived elsewhere you'd see that all religions think you're a douche equally. You say you do business with 100 Mormons, but they wouldn't hesitate not to do business with you? What's keeping them from rejecting you right now? You're delusional, and disagreeable people like you are lucky to be accepted into any house of worship. When will the bigotry end?
Whether you're LDS or not and reading this blog, please don't respond to mind-numb evangelicals who are anti-mormon. They are not well informed
This debate is not about whether Mormon Christianity (restoration) or Evangelical Christianity (reformation) is correct.
Mitt Romney is a man of faith and believes in upholding the same American values that Mormons, Evangelicals, Catholics, Jews or Muslims believe in.
This remains the ONLY important issue in this debate. If you want answers to antimormon questions go to www.fairlds.org for starters. Like the person said above the Godmakers book is false teaching.
My vote is for MItt because he is the MOST qualified candidate for the job.
Islam and Mormonism are very similar...http://www.basicchristian.org/muslim_mormon.html
Dear Mr./Ms. Trooper - The constitution isn't an opinion, and the United States was not founded on the idea that the majority opinion at any given time on an issue is what goes. And I agree that any presidential candidate who states that a person must profess faith in order to become president clearly doesn't understand the constitution. And seeing that the president's main job is to uphold and defend that constitution, we've got a problem here.
PS - I'm from Massachusetts and anyone who does not know much about Romney should do some reading. He and lies constantly and will say ANYTHING to get elected. I've been told that lying is okay under the Mormon faith, and if so, I can confirm he is a seriously "faithful" guy.
To amaduli. Clearly your a jerk and rough around the edges. If you are Mormon, I'm sure your they are ashamed for you and believe your comments to be misguided. Every faith has people like you who avoiding the questions with personal attacks.
I'm sure if you had an intelligent response you would have given it.
Where are you even getting this? he just said he thought the president should be someone with some conviction of religious faith. He didn't say they must, it's just his position (like most others) that it would be best. Saying that you've heard a rumor that it's OK to lie as a Mormon is about as credible as those who said the Jews sacrificed Christian babies. If you're willing to just take that kind of thing as fact, I'm convinced this country is pretty gullible. I'm happy for this election, not for the Presidential contest, but that this lying hatred will be cast into the light for what it really is.
Amaduli,
You've never heard of "lying for the lord"? Really? Or are you just lying for the lord about that???
It's a bit more than a rumor. Regardless, Romney is liar who changes his positions more than he changes his magic underwear.
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