Dr. Phil Shapiro and Dr. Frank Coppieters discuss healing from the perspectives of a psychiatrist and a shaman. For the first third, Dr. Shapiro answers questions and talks about his book, Healing Power, Ten Steps to Healing to Pain Management and Spiritual Evolution, for the second third, Dr. Coppieters answers questions and speaks about his book, Handbook for the Evolving Heart and then, a wonderful discussion ensues.